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Old 09-28-2006, 08:09 PM
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Reasons for over acceleration
I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?
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Old 09-28-2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by danny_shank
I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?
Great Question . . . Hope some HEAVIES way in on this here.
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Old 09-28-2006, 11:54 PM
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If the start down is by left hip/leg plus right shoulder down without any efforts by arms, will that help not over acceleration?
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Old 09-29-2006, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by danny_shank
I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?
I would agree that any attempt to 'add' with the left or right arms are contributors. But I also think a key contributor is simply not understanding and experiencing the endless belt concept.

Since gaining an understanding of the endless belt effect my tendency to over-accelerate is greatly reduced. I think over-acceleration stems from a belief that it will allow you to hit it farther. And if you think that then you'll find a way to do try and do it... be it with arm action or pivot action. Once you experience how accelerating your hands simply to set up the proper rhythm allows the endless belt effect to "do it's thing" you start to trust just how powerful that can be.

Another question I have would be to define 'over-acceleration'. Is it accelerating the hands too far into the release period or accelerating the hands to a speed that can't be maintained through release and impact?

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Old 09-29-2006, 07:25 AM
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Thanks for the reply's guys.

Originally Posted by cometgolfer
Another question I have would be to define 'over-acceleration'. Is it accelerating the hands too far into the release period or accelerating the hands to a speed that can't be maintained through release and impact?
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cometgolfer in my question i definitely meant the latter.

So, so far i understand it is important to have the correct intention when creating power. But doesn't this still encompass the 'adding' i described in the first post. Is it that simple?

As a swinger if i keep my left arm inert and don't 'add' with my right, can i over-accelerate?
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Moving the hands independentlycauses over-acceleration...For instance pulling the left arm down and forward independent of the Pivot Train is an example of over acceleration...Also a improper loading can cause over acceleration...For instance resisting the backstroke only to try and drag the club down by pulling ..which are completely incompatible loading procedures
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Old 09-29-2006, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Moving the hands independentlycauses over-acceleration...For instance pulling the left arm down and forward independent of the Pivot Train is an example of over acceleration...Also a improper loading can cause over acceleration...For instance resisting the backstroke only to try and drag the club down by pulling ..which are completely incompatible loading procedures
How about OVERLOADING?
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Old 09-30-2006, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
How about OVERLOADING?
Too much to be sustained.
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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
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Old 09-29-2006, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by danny_shank
I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.
The urge to "hack" it hard and far, which causes early throwaway (shaft kick-forward).
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Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?
The muscular effort is for "sustaining the lag", not "hack".

The club lag is supported by accumulator lag, which is supported by pivot lag, fast, slow or in-between.
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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
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Bend the shaft.
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Originally Posted by danny_shank
I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?
One of the biggest causes is lack of 'smoothness'.

By that I mean a swinger needs to be building speed. One of my favorite quotes from Al Geiberger "there can only be one 'fastest' part of the swing".

A swinger who tries to make that fastest point either 'at' the ball or worse, before impact, is over accelerating. The idea is to try to make that fastest point AFTER impact, THROUGH the ball, and by doing so help sustain the line of compression (minimize impact decel).

Certainly adding right arm, or incompatible loading/unloading (bad transition), are factors.

Efficient force is always smooth and feels very heavy.
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