Speed Training w/ Speedchain

[Mike O]

Not to mention the swing mechanics benefits, but from a pure speed standpoint:

The speedstick, momentus, and weighted clubs are isotonic or "dead weight" devices. Meaning when one swings them, on the downswing their own inertia plus gravity is assisting on the downswing. They are probably ok for strength but not real effective for speed IMO. They also fail to meet the 4 laws of specificity for speed training.

Contrast those with the SC. The SC is a variable weight resistance device which provides an overload/resistance on the crucial start of the downswing and thru the impact zone. And it can be swung extremely fast. Much faster than weighted clubs and the speedstick. It is the only training device I know of that meets the 4 laws of specificity for speed training.

Hope this helps.

Could you post the 4 laws of specificity for speed training here- thanks. In addition, it would be nice to see the references that you have that supports the logic of these four laws.

[Yoda]

This same fad and concept of the chains is being used in the Olympic Training Center by Vinny Comiskey who is the head of Sports Medicine. Also, we have many Professional Golf Instructors using it in their teaching programs. A number of Long Drive guys including the BEAST also. A couple of tour players thus far that we know of. It is catching on but from a slower grass roots type of approach.

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Brian Gay
Working with Yoda on the practice tee of The Golden Bear Club at Keene's Pointe
Windermere, Florida

[bwkitche]

Could you post the 4 laws of specificity for speed training here- thanks. In addition, it would be nice to see the references that you have that supports the logic of these four laws.

Mike O,

Here are the 4 items trainchain is referring to. I would be interested in any references he may have as well.

1. Movement pattern must be exact or as similar as possible to the athletic motion involved.

2. Contraction velocity must be similar to the event.

3. Contraction force must be higher than the event.

4. Contraction type must be the same.

Bacc

[mb6606]

If HK said the #2 Accumulator was the true velocity accumulator than it wouldn't it make sense to train the muscles that govern the uncocking of the wrist?

[Toolish]

Research has shown that the body only contributes 10% of power to the golf swing, whereas the speed of the hands and their actions contribute 90% of power.

So, you could hit it 90% as far without moving the body? Surely not...try hitting balls without any shoulder turn and tell me how you go?

I agree the hands are important, but those numbers don't seem to make sense at all....can you point me to the data?

Or am I misinterpreting what you are saying?

[comdpa]

There is a rhythm to centrifugal force- trying to make it go faster really isn't a viable option. Training "just" the muscles below the elbow- doesn't make any sense at all. Finally, could you identify the research that says the body only provides 10% and also that the transferring of the weight only 2% because both of those "facts" are much like training the muscles just below the elbow- they don't take into account the entire context of the movement. Anotherwords- if I didn't transfer my weight and hit off my back foot- I really wouldn't lose any power?

Sure thing Mike...check your email.
As mentioned, I don't fully comprehend all there is about speed generation.

So far what I have been doing is working very nicely for me. Hope you can link and sort everything out for me in reference to TGM.

[comdpa]

So, you could hit it 90% as far without moving the body? Surely not...try hitting balls without any shoulder turn and tell me how you go?

I agree the hands are important, but those numbers don't seem to make sense at all....can you point me to the data?

Or am I misinterpreting what you are saying?

Sure thing mate, please PM me your email and I will send you the materials.

I have already tried what you recommended a long time ago and my experience is as below - I would like for you to try what you said first and share the results, more importantly, you can prove or disprove this to YOURSELF, the person that matters most!

With a good strike, I can reach 85-90% of my regular distance with my feet together and/or standing on one leg (left or right)

I can hit a lob wedge about 65 yards with the right hand and 50 yards with the left hand.

When I last hit a driver on my knees some 13 months back, it went about 230 yards through the air - this is without a snap release and speed training. I am not too sure what I can achieve now.

Some months back I heard Mr Kelley quoted (Lynn and Mike O should be able to verify this) before that "you will be very surprised how far you can hit it with little shoulder turn".

Now mate, when you mention "try hitting balls without any shoulder turn", I just do not think it is possible to do a completely zero shoulder turn and yet get my hands high enough.

Being the scientist that I am, I went out to the range to prove Mr. Kelley wrong. In science, to prove a theory, you try to disprove it.

I lifted my arms up allowing some bend in the left arm while keeping my shoulders as square as possible - I got the same 85% to 90% distance when I got a good strike. Due to lack of practice, I was obviously not very consistent with such a move.

For the record, I do not believe that a "90 degree turn of the shoulders" is needful for distance and I don't use it in my procedure. Its not a flexibility issue too - I can do full splits with ease.

The shoulder turn to me is about plane issues. If you have a flat plane angle, you need more turn to get the right shoulder on plane. Vice versa for a steep plane angle. Please reference 10-13-0.

I have also tested myself doing John Daly-esque swings and yes, I do hit my driver further about 8-13 yards, but at the cost of improper contact, wayward direction and back pain.

Food for thought...how far do you think Bruce Lee would hit his driver if he were a 7 marker?

[Toolish]

Sure thing mate, please PM me your email and I will send you the materials.

I have already tried what you recommended a long time ago and my experience is as below - I would like for you to try what you said first and share the results, more importantly, you can prove or disprove this to YOURSELF, the person that matters most!

With a good strike, I can reach 85-90% of my regular distance with my feet together and/or standing on one leg (left or right)

I can hit a lob wedge about 65 yards with the right hand and 50 yards with the left hand.

When I last hit a driver on my knees some 13 months back, it went about 230 yards through the air - this is without a snap release and speed training. I am not too sure what I can achieve now.

Some months back I heard Mr Kelley quoted (Lynn and Mike O should be able to verify this) before that "you will be very surprised how far you can hit it with little shoulder turn".

Now mate, when you mention "try hitting balls without any shoulder turn", I just do not think it is possible to do a completely zero shoulder turn and yet get my hands high enough.

Being the scientist that I am, I went out to the range to prove Mr. Kelley wrong. In science, to prove a theory, you try to disprove it.

I lifted my arms up allowing some bend in the left arm while keeping my shoulders as square as possible - I got the same 85% to 90% distance when I got a good strike. Due to lack of practice, I was obviously not very consistent with such a move.

For the record, I do not believe that a "90 degree turn of the shoulders" is needful for distance and I don't use it in my procedure. Its not a flexibility issue too - I can do full splits with ease.

The shoulder turn to me is about plane issues. If you have a flat plane angle, you need more turn to get the right shoulder on plane. Vice versa for a steep plane angle. Please reference 10-13-0.

I have also tested myself doing John Daly-esque swings and yes, I do hit my driver further about 8-13 yards, but at the cost of improper contact, wayward direction and back pain.

Food for thought...how far do you think Bruce Lee would hit his driver if he were a 7 marker?

Bruce Lee if correctly trained would probably hit it miles...can't argue there.

I don't think you need 90° turn either, but you need some and you need it to unwind properly to have a truelly powerful swing...it is not all in the forearms.

If you really think 90% power comes from the arms then you should be able to swing, with 0 shoulder movement and hit it 90 of the distance...not off one leg, not off knees, not 1 handed, and definately not with a little bit of turn so the hands can get high enough. If the power comes from the hands they should not have to get any higher.

This is not meant to be an attack, but I just can not get my brain around this at all.

[nuke99]

Bruce Lee if correctly trained would probably hit it miles...can't argue there.

I don't think you need 90° turn either, but you need some and you need it to unwind properly to have a truelly powerful swing...it is not all in the forearms.

If you really think 90% power comes from the arms then you should be able to swing, with 0 shoulder movement and hit it 90 of the distance...not off one leg, not off knees, not 1 handed, and definately not with a little bit of turn so the hands can get high enough. If the power comes from the hands they should not have to get any higher.

This is not meant to be an attack, but I just can not get my brain around this at all.

You can do a test,

Take a long piece of light wood extend from your shoulder and out till 40 inch outward or so like a golf stick. and swing with your body as fast as you possibly can. How fast can you go?

Now take a golf shaft and whip it as fast as you can. with one hand and wrist. Or even better with just forearms and arms. not forgeting wrist is also a power accumulator . now with the wrist and forearms around the elbow .. swish swish swish.


Common illusions, but arm provide most speed, body not so much speed. Our core are not design for speed, they are for support and strength . You need speed to hit far. Force = mv 2 .

In Body controlled hands , Physics Precedes
In Hand controlled Pivot, Geometry precedes.

But you must learn to use BOTH. for maximum power. And i dont mean your body should turn faster , It really doesnt hit the ball much further no matter how fast it is turned. It only make the person look like a Hacker.

And Effort is not equal to power.

Freddie doesnt seem to swing that fast but hits it a mile doesnt he? Everyone followed the concept of body swing and swing easy, but did they get the speed? Everyone will be hitting a mile by now using "what made sense" and what is sold by so called the gurus of golf. Their student are not really known for length.

Did u see Ocha? she is small, but she whips! look at the snap! Look at her distance !

[Mike O]

Mike O,

Here are the 4 items trainchain is referring to. I would be interested in any references he may have as well.

1. Movement pattern must be exact or as similar as possible to the athletic motion involved.

2. Contraction velocity must be similar to the event.

3. Contraction force must be higher than the event.

4. Contraction type must be the same.

Bacc

Bacc,
Thanks for the four laws- I'll wait for the references.