I can use the Elbow Plane as well as anyone but I don't like the amount of physical effort.
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That was fun and well said, Daryl!
As far as energy consumption goes the TSP is probably the more environmental friendly alternative. But EP is the healthier one.
I agree that there is more work involved in EP. But the major part of it is done by the big muscles and hitting from the feet feels really effortless. So I don't mind spending a few calories extra.
I like the fact that I can go by my instinct. I don't try to loosen the grip or anything fancy when I want extra distance. I simply try to hit the ball harder from feet up Same thing basically when I want to take off a few yards, which I do quite often when there's wind on the course.
Here's my comparison, with the TSP I can hit 500 Drives and I don't get tired. With the Elbow Plane, I'm wasted after 100 balls and my hands and core muscles will hurt the remainder of the day. I'm sure that if I did it every day for years, that wouldn't be the case.
How is this relevant to actually playing golf? You don't hit 500 drives in a round....shouldn't the choice be made on what works best?
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Pure elbow plane without shifting or looping is anatomically more difficult maneuver.
Just think about the elbow joint.
It's main function is flexion and extension with minimum contribution from supination and pronation.
Whenever I try to consciously swing powerfully with ONLY on my right elbow I develop pain from medial epicondylitis(golfer's elbow). The reason is that I try to pronate too much at the elbow joint.
I think that why it's necessary to have a shifting or looping so that the other joints, naming the shoulder joint is involved to prevent injury.
The shoulder has a much greater range of motion simply because it's a ball and socket joint. Most golfers use a combination of shoulder/elbow plane.
Here some examples of golfers who I consider to use pure elbow plane.
Here some examples of golfers who I consider to use pure elbow plane.
Great vids, dlam. Thanks for posting!
Each of these players is unquestionably using the Elbow Plane during the Release Interval. However, it appears to me that Michael Allen shifts in the Backstroke to the Turned Shoulder Plane (albeit a bit laid-off at the Top). What say you?
Also, would like to see TA III with the longer stroke of the driver. Any clips available?
It seems that Tommy and Allen have a short backstroke such that the forearm and shaft remain at the elbow plane and comes down. Is this the easiest way to use elbow plane?
I don't think it's the easiest way to learn it, but some of the greatest ball strikers of all times - for instance Ben Hogan - have been known for very little independant arms motion. It's all about pivot and hands. And very quiet arms. So it may be worth the effort still.
Yoda, here's TA III driver swings from anterior and lateral view.
To me it looks elbow plane in backswing and forward swing through impact
then he somehow ends up on a shoulder plane on the follow through.
TSP vs. Elbow Plane. This guy advocates the TSP without Arm or Hand motion.
Red line = TSP
Yellow Line = Elbow Plane
It couldn't be more clear. Unfortunately, other than the concept of "Rhythm" and the "Flying Wedge Alignments", he doesn't know about the "Right Forearm Takeaway" and Zone 1 needs a lot of work.
I don't think it's the easiest way to learn it, but some of the greatest ball strikers of all times - for instance Ben Hogan - have been known for very little independant arms motion. It's all about pivot and hands. And very quiet arms. So it may be worth the effort still.
In Hogan's book he draws out a plane that starts from the top of his shoulders to the clubface and he takes his club back along this "plane". His forward swing is inside that "plane"
I think Hogan's definition of plane is very different from Homers
In Homer's "plane" (correct me if i'm wrong) it is the arc that the clubshaft travels.
According to Homer if we look at Hogan's swing his takeaway is EP goes to a TSP at the top of the plane then back to an EP in the forward plane.
I think his flat swing is due to EP through impact.
Same thing basically when I want to take off a few yards, which I do quite often when there's wind on the course.
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