4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS

[12 piece bucket]

Mr. K states, "RELEASE MOTIONS This term refers to the Release of Accumulators #2 and #3. . . . "Uncocking" (4-B-3) and "Roll" (4-C-3) are two separate motions: 1) Wrist Motion and 2) Hand Motion - coordinate but very independent (4-0). . . . Normally, Uncocking is a function of the Wrist actuating the Clubhead (4-B). See 5-0 and 7-11. It has nothing to do with Clubface alignment at Impact - that is the function of the Hands, executing the Clubface Motion (4-C) - Accumulator #3 (2-G)."

Later he states: "The Hitter concentrates on Hand Motion, while the Swinger concentrates on Wrist Motion."

And per 4-C-1 "VERTICAL The wrist is VERTICAL when the back of the Hand would lay flat against a swinging door mounted per the selected Hinge Action, (2-G) with the Shoulder at the Hinge Line."

Why should the Hitter concentrate on Hand Motion? And how should the Hitter do this?

[tongzilla]

Mr. K states, "RELEASE MOTIONS This term refers to the Release of Accumulators #2 and #3. . . . "Uncocking" (4-B-3) and "Roll" (4-C-3) are two separate motions: 1) Wrist Motion and 2) Hand Motion - coordinate but very independent (4-0). . . . Normally, Uncocking is a function of the Wrist actuating the Clubhead (4-B). See 5-0 and 7-11. It has nothing to do with Clubface alignment at Impact - that is the function of the Hands, executing the Clubface Motion (4-C) - Accumulator #3 (2-G)."

Later he states: "The Hitter concentrates on Hand Motion, while the Swinger concentrates on Wrist Motion."

And per 4-C-1 "VERTICAL The wrist is VERTICAL when the back of the Hand would lay flat against a swinging door mounted per the selected Hinge Action, (2-G) with the Shoulder at the Hinge Line."

Why should the Hitter concentrate on Hand Motion? And how should the Hitter do this?

Hitters don't need to concentrate on Left Wrist Motion because it is taken care of by the Angled Hinge Action (10-18-C-2). This Angled Hinge Action is compatible with the Simultaneous Release which is characteristic of Hitters.

You do this by making sure any Hand Motion is a result of your Hinge Action.

Also, remember, Swingers like to Swivel, and Swivel = Left Wrist Action. Hitters, on the other hand, only uses a finish swivel.

I am sure Yoda can give a more authorititive answer!

[Mike O]

12 Piece,
This is a section where Mr. Kelley's 7th edition revisions make an important change in his wording- he changes "concentrates" to "is aware of". You're not the first to bring this important clarification up- more than 25 years ago others had the same questions/issues and after contemplation Mr. Kelley understood that the term "concentrates" implies that you are "doing" something with the hands. The change to "is aware of" more properly denotes the Release Motions as effects of the movement and not something that you have to concentrate on in order to make it happen. This is in the context of the perfected motion, AS OPPOSED to a particular stage of development where the individual may be learning, changing, looking, looking, "concentrating" on perfecting and/or changing the release motions.

I know that, the above feedback may not answer your entire question- but I think it is an important first step- please feel free to re-ask or reclarify your question if necessary.

Hope that helps.

Mike O.

[12 piece bucket]

12 Piece,
This is a section where Mr. Kelley's 7th edition revisions make an important change in his wording- he changes "concentrates" to "is aware of". You're not the first to bring this important clarification up- more than 25 years ago others had the same questions/issues and after contemplation Mr. Kelley understood that the term "concentrates" implies that you are "doing" something with the hands. The change to "is aware of" more properly denotes the Release Motions as effects of the movement and not something that you have to concentrate on in order to make it happen. This is in the context of the perfected motion, AS OPPOSED to a particular stage of development where the individual may be learning, changing, looking, looking, "concentrating" on perfecting and/or changing the release motions.

I know that, the above feedback may not answer your entire question- but I think it is an important first step- please feel free to re-ask or reclarify your question if necessary.

Hope that helps.

Mike O.

Mike,

It's good to have you out here posting! You are one of the best IMO.

I was trying to understand why the Swinger would "concentrate" on Wrist Motion and the Hitter would "concentrate" on Hand motion. My questioning this was due to my understanding (or possibly misunderstanding) that the Swinger has CF that would essentially perform the release of #2 ideally. So why would the Swinger need to concentrate on something CF does for him?

And with Hitting, since the Hitter's preferred Hinging is Angled Hinging which on an inclined plane has a no-Roll feel, then why would the Hitter need to concentrate on Hand Motion? Since Hand Motion is Turn/Roll, why the need to concentrate on a no-Roll feel?

It could be I have missed the boat.

Your participation in this forum is much appreciated!

Regards,

Richard-RUNDMC-Bucket

[Mike O]

Well,
How do I talk myself out of this one!? I guess my post doesn't hold water I didn't thoroughly take the time to research my post and now I am thinking that the above change never made it into the 7th edition. I had it in my book as a revision but I think Mr. Kelley must have changed his mind on making that change. Anyway, I still think the post is valid but I guess he must have had it as a revision and then pulled it.
Now back to the regular scheduled show!
Mike O.

[phillygolf]

Mr. K states, "RELEASE MOTIONS This term refers to the Release of Accumulators #2 and #3. . . . "Uncocking" (4-B-3) and "Roll" (4-C-3) are two separate motions: 1) Wrist Motion and 2) Hand Motion - coordinate but very independent (4-0). . . . Normally, Uncocking is a function of the Wrist actuating the Clubhead (4-B). See 5-0 and 7-11. It has nothing to do with Clubface alignment at Impact - that is the function of the Hands, executing the Clubface Motion (4-C) - Accumulator #3 (2-G)."

Later he states: "The Hitter concentrates on Hand Motion, while the Swinger concentrates on Wrist Motion."

And per 4-C-1 "VERTICAL The wrist is VERTICAL when the back of the Hand would lay flat against a swinging door mounted per the selected Hinge Action, (2-G) with the Shoulder at the Hinge Line."

Why should the Hitter concentrate on Hand Motion? And how should the Hitter do this?

My thoughts.

First, sometimes when we ask these insane questions - I dont know if Homers thought process is in relationship to a 'true' swinger or a 'manipulated hands' swinger.

Anyways...

Why should a hitter concentrate on hand motion? I believe I asked this question to someone and for the life of me cannot remember the response. I am thinking the hitter would concentrate (or as Mike stated, be aware of) hand motion versus wrist motion because the hitters thrust would not result in sequenced release - so conversly, if he 'concentrated' on wrist motion, then he would be concentrating on the left wrist uncocking - a direct conflict with his prescribed release motion as a hitter.

For a swinger, kinda makes sense. Throwout from uncocking left wrist then roll - if you dont uncock, no roll (hypothetically).

Heres the issue with the true swinging comment I made.

A true swinger has no concern for clubface alignment - the face will align same place ever time regardless of grip type. Ball placement, yes, but not clubface. However, the hitter does have a concern because the face will not automatically align - so he has to worry about the face/grip type to a certain extent.

So is Homer talking True or manipulated?

Try to decipher that post. Two perspectives on interpretation.

And I am sure I made no sense. And if I did, then you got major issues.

Patrick

[bts]

You concentrate on what you intend to do.

For example, If you try to "Snap-Release", you concentrate on the "Release" action and feel (or "be aware of") the "Release" motion.

I don't concentrate on "Release" action, if I try to "Sustain the Lag" (by pushing or pulling), but can still feel (or "be aware of") the "Release" motion, if I want to.

[Jeff]

I have not seen any rational answer to the question as to why a hitter has to concentrate on hand motions. What hand motion? Also, doesn't the hitter also have a 90 degree angle between the left arm and clubshaft, and surely the left wrist needs to uncock during the downswing. Does the left wrist uncock differently in a hitter due to the right hand applying force in a radial direction (presumably against PP1) rather than pulling on the club along its longitudinal axis? In a swinger, there is apparently a sequenced power accumulator release (2 before 3) while those two power accumulators are apparently released simultaneously in a hitter? What does that difference really mean in terms of the hand delivery path/arc and the release motion?

Jeff.

[golfbulldog]

Remember that the position and alignments of the hands, pressure points, forearms and sweetspot are different in the loading action for hitters and swingers....7-3

Until you see, understand and can experience that bit...then you should not be thinking about release motions...

Once you understand the loading actions...then the release motions become easier to understand.

That is my opinion and experience of learning this stuff...

look under 7-3...there were some good threads on that with some photos that helped me.

[Jeff]

Golfbulldog

I cannot understand the second paragraph in 7:3. Could you please refer me to threads and photos that explicate that issue. I don't want to open a new thread on this topic if the issue has been thoroughly explained in a previous thread.
I asked Bagger Lance that same question in another thread (on the right forearm), but he didn't want to answer the question in that particular thread. So, I still cannot understand that important "difference".

Jeff.