Body controlled...

[dbl]

I just want to clarify something. The Hitting folk make some distinction between hand-controlled pivot and pivot-controlled hands.

I'm thinking in swinging, that there is only one option - which I'd call "body controlled hands"... since the main action is by the body/shoulders to create centrifugal force. Or at least it seems this way when I try to swing.

Or...does anyone say that a swinger's pivot can be controlled by the hands and what would be some distinctions?

Thanks!

[jim_0068]

Brian likes to call what you're describing as:

Pivot POWERED Hand Control.....

Your hands are just holding onto the club and you're letting your pivot do all the work.

HOWEVER

Your mind is STILL in your hands because your brain is telling your hands they to do certain things like:

a flat left wrist
turn to the plane
bend the right wrist
aiming point
lead with your hands

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In a true pivot controlled hands procedure, you aren't giving your hands ANY ORDERS. You're just letting your pivot do what it wants with them with no regard for anything.

[tongzilla]

I just want to clarify something. The Hitting folk make some distinction between hand-controlled pivot and pivot-controlled hands.

I'm thinking in swinging, that there is only one option - which I'd call "body controlled hands"... since the main action is by the body/shoulders to create centrifugal force. Or at least it seems this way when I try to swing.

Or...does anyone say that a swinger's pivot can be controlled by the hands and what would be some distinctions?

Thanks!

You need to master the Right Shoulder Turn Thrust as per 6-B-4-A. This is used in the Start Down and you should think of it as driving the Right Shoulder at the ball. Correctly performed, you should feel left arm against pp#4 and lag pressure on pp#3.

Remember the right shoulder is part of the Power Package and Pivot. So after using it to load your Accumulators, its job is to transport this loaded Power Package on plane and down plane.

That's what 'blasting' the left arm toward impact is about.

I suggest you fully master this Right Shoulder Thrust first. Then allow your Hands to join in the fun. Hands must maintain correct alignments throughout your stroke. You want Hands controlled Pivot, not the other way round.

Where is your mind on? If your mind is on your right shoulder or other pivot components, then you're using the inferior Pivot controlled Hands procedure. If you mind is in your Hands, then you're using Hands controlled Pivot.

So once you've 'got it', mind goes back into the Hands.

[dbl]

Tongzilla,

Thanks for that reply. You've caught me on the right shoulder business, as I don't have that part down. My swing probably isn't a full swing, and the hands are not high enough to do that shoulder part, hence it seemed body-controlled.

[Mathew]

It is always hands controlled pivot ....

In the swinger they may use pivot thrust to drive the power package (law of the triangle - arms, hands and shoulder(which is also part of the pivot so it becomes a dual agent)) by 'flinging' or 'throwing out' your left arm but that right forefinger is still tracing that straight plane line which is your hands equivalent of the sweetspot..... on plane force

It is about what "controlled" means and it is not 'hands powered pivot'..... Homer was a stickler for precision in his text. The pivot and power package co-exist, your arms are connecting rods but the geometric precision is gained in its movement is through the monitoring of the hands......

Hands controlled pivot means it is your power package that influences the precision of the movement of the dual agent(shoulders)... it is not a haphazard turn like most pop instructors will let you believe.....

You can only maintain precision through your hands..... not your shoulders - your shoulder has no sweetspot equivalent to trace a straight line plane

What your power package does through time and space and how it assembled through the accumulators (out of line conditions) and disassembles is the deal in golf. Your body will never be able to make these distinctions with precision..... but only clumsily feeling its effects....