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02-06-2008, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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Were you this difficult growing up? Let me talk to your wife.
How about "any grip type" and "Right hand TO PLANE" as long as the Right Wrist remains level and Bent"
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You think I'm a "grown up"????? I'll take that as a compliment!!! Sweet!!!
What does Right Hand to Plane mean?
A dude like Freddie who Re-Cocks and BENDS out of follow through . . . FLATTENS his Right Wrist . . . BUT the club stays on Plane and In-Line with his Left Arm . . .
Now I could see people having beef with Vijay being on the edge of meeting the Imperatives . . . But not Boom Boom.
Lee Buck probably kept his Right Wrist Bent as well as any 10-2-D gripper . . .but he hit it low.
I'm looking at a sequence of Duval . . . his wrist stays bent pretty good but he Up-Plane quicker than Lee Buck. Plus he hits it higher because he has more Tilt.
I think Duval is the best 10-2-D grip model . . . he was as good as anybody when he was winning.
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02-06-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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I'm looking at a sequence of Duval . . . his wrist stays bent pretty good but he Up-Plane quicker than Lee Buck. Plus he hits it higher because he has more Tilt.
I think Duval is the best 10-2-D grip model . . . he was as good as anybody when he was winning.
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If you are talking about axis tilt Lee Buck had as much as just about anyone that made a living at the game. (at least the video/photos I've seen)
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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02-06-2008, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock
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If you are talking about axis tilt Lee Buck had as much as just about anyone that made a living at the game. (at least the video/photos I've seen)
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Come on goober . . . you know how this works . . .
Look at the hips . . .
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02-06-2008, 04:42 PM
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Aren't hip slant and axis tilt two different things? Lee Buck's left shoulder is very high, and right shoulder very low at impact. To me, this is axis tilt. I agree that Duval's left hip is much higher, right hip much lower at impact and after impact.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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02-06-2008, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock
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Aren't hip slant and axis tilt two different things? Lee Buck's left shoulder is very high, and right shoulder very low at impact. To me, this is axis tilt. I agree that Duval's left hip is much higher, right hip much lower at impact and after impact.
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Look at Lee Buck Frame 11 vs. Duval Frame 5 . . .
Plus look at Lee Frame 12 vs. this finish . . .

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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 02-06-2008 at 04:55 PM.
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02-06-2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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Look at Lee Buck Frame 11 vs. Duval Frame 5 . . .
Plus look at Lee Frame 12 vs. this finish . . .
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Would you look at that!!!! DD wearing a Titleist cap and hitting a TM Burner with a bubble shaft! Nice stroll down memory lane.
Thanks Bucket!
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02-06-2008, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cometgolfer
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Would you look at that!!!! DD wearing a Titleist cap and hitting a TM Burner with a bubble shaft! Nice stroll down memory lane.
Thanks Bucket!
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Too bad his shirt didn't have a 3rd sleeve, purple would have been cute!
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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02-06-2008, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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Look at Lee Buck Frame 11 vs. Duval Frame 5 . . .
Plus look at Lee Frame 12 vs. this finish . . .
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Okay, I think I see what you mean, Lee Buck's head is a lot further left at impact than Duval's, same with after impact. I think we were having a debate on semantics more than anything.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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02-06-2008, 06:43 PM
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As far as Lee Buck's stock low trajectory is concerned another contributing factor would be, in Bobby Clampett's terms, a swing bottom that is far ahead of the ball.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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02-06-2008, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock
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Okay, I think I see what you mean, Lee Buck's head is a lot further left at impact than Duval's, same with after impact. I think we were having a debate on semantics more than anything.
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I don't care what you do on your own time . . . but you and Mike can do whatever you do with semantics in your own closets.
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