I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
The Hookface diverts the ball to a Straight Path from a Circular Path. The Clubface should Close Only and not Hood. Hooding produces a Downward Compression which is the job of the Clubhead moving down and out On Plane during the Impact Interval.
I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
You'd need to define what you mean by shut or hooded. It'll be part of the process in answering your question. Regardless, no it's not the hookface that HK is describing.
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You'd need to define what you mean by shut or hooded. It'll be part of the process in answering your question. Regardless, no it's not the hookface that HK is describing.
Given that a good iron shot is hit ball then turf, it seems to me that the clubface should be facing towards the ground at impact. So a "shutting" clubface IMHO is one that pointing toward ground with big divot. As opposed to a" closing" clubface which I associate with a sweeping feeling taking a little divot.
Given that a good iron shot is hit ball then turf, it seems to me that the clubface should be facing towards the ground at impact. So a "shutting" clubface IMHO is one that pointing toward ground with big divot. As opposed to a" closing" clubface which I associate with a sweeping feeling taking a little divot.
Dlam,
Good observations. Yes, certainly for the irons you'd want a shutting clubface FEEL. Versus a closing clubface FEEL.
Understand that A) what's happening, B) what you're feeling and C) what you are trying to do - are or can be three very distinct issues in movement. So we need to break them out - based on your post.
Yes, the feel is that the clubface is on top of the ball facing the ground. Now, you can't feel clubfaces - so what are you really sensing? - the longitudinal center of gravity of the club. What's that? Well, if you were to lightly hold a club at the grip end and let it hang- because of the attached offset clubhead weight- the shaft would't hang down straight. While you have this club hanging from your finger tips if you were to also hold a piece of string with a weight at the end of it- that would show the longitudinal center of gravity (LCG) of the club and that string if allowed would go right through the clubface- that point it goes through the clubface is the sweetspot. And imagine that that straight string line as what you are sensing in the golf swing. So A) we are sensing that straight line, B) we can't sense the clubface i.e. you wouldn't know if you had 20 degrees or 40 degrees of loft on a clubface unless you visually looked at it - can't sense it by feel. C) since we are hitting the ball before lowpoint- the straight line LCG is leaning forward - hence it will be on top of the ball, facing the ground, "shut".
While you are sensing that - the clubface loft is actually facing the sky (whatever the effective loft that you are delivering to impact) and the actual contact point due to loft on the clubface is underneath the ball i.e. below the equator. And while it feels like - ball then turf - normally the sweetspot is sufficiently up the face that the club hits turf then ball - however all of these "What happens" are really insignificant to the issues of A) what are you trying to do and B) what does it feel like.
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Given that a good iron shot is hit ball then turf, it seems to me that the clubface should be facing towards the ground at impact. So a "shutting" clubface IMHO is one that pointing toward ground with big divot. As opposed to a" closing" clubface which I associate with a sweeping feeling taking a little divot.
Image of 3 Iron Impact Sequence: Closing Only (AKA Horizontal Hinge)
Definitions: (casual)
Hooding: is when the Top Edge of the Clubhead is rolling toward or over the Bottom (leading) edge. That would require the Grip moving faster than the Clubhead. Playing the ball back or Leaning the Shaft Forward only de-lofts the Clubface. CLUBSHAFT
Shutting: the Clubface, occurs when you independently Roll your Hands (see Swivel). The Clubhead is closing and Hooding simultaneously. Hands
Swiveling: is the Tilt of the Sweetspot Plane from On-Plane to Vertical for Impact, or from Vertical to tilt onto the Swing Plane during Start-up. Controlled by both Flying Wedges. Flying Wedges
Rolling: is the Body Closing the Clubface relative to the Planeline. Zone 1, Zone 2, Zone 1 and 2, but never Zone 3 (in my humble opinion). Body
Horizontal Hinge: is keeping the Left Wrist Vertical to the Ground through the Impact Interval while the Body Closes the Clubface. (Closing Only) Left Wrist
I know, this is exactly why everyone thinks we are insane. But.......
Hooding is the opposite of Layback. Cant be done dynamically during the impact interval as a Hinge Action or whatever.................can it? Wouldnt that require a horrific slide? I dunno.
Hooding at Address, however.........that is a different story, a different definition.
Dont scare that guy away, guys. Tell him about Hinge Actions.........
I know, this is exactly why everyone thinks we are insane. But.......
Hooding is the opposite of Layback. Cant be done dynamically during the impact interval as a Hinge Action or whatever.................can it? Wouldnt that require a horrific slide? I dunno.
Hooding at Address, however.........that is a different story, a different definition.
Dont scare that guy away, guys. Tell him about Hinge Actions.........
I know, this is exactly why everyone thinks we are insane. But.......
Hooding is the opposite of Layback. Cant be done dynamically during the impact interval as a Hinge Action or whatever.................can it? Wouldnt that require a horrific slide? I dunno.
Hooding at Address, however.........that is a different story, a different definition.
Dont scare that guy away, guys. Tell him about Hinge Actions.........
OB,
You're going to get some hooding with the irons due to shaft flex action as a result of impact. Whether that happens during or after impact - whether it's a result of the club contacting the ball or the club contacting the ground -just realize that "hooding" is something that happens in the golf swing. It would fall under Daryl's definition of "That would require the Grip moving faster than the Clubhead" due to the flexibility of the shaft and the deceleration of the clubhead due to impact. You can see that if you look at the hosel above in Daryl's post- leaning more forward in the last frame versus the first frame. Of course, that means that in Daryl's post above - since the face is also closing - that the four frames would also fit under his definition of "Shutting".
By the way - you are insane - people realize it - no one thinks that Daryl or I are insane - merely rational normal people. Please don't group everyone together with you. I know you Canadian's like groups but some of us are still into rugged USA individualism! Soon we won't need to deal with you - Bagger is close to perfecting the "Canadian Blocker" on the website- then it will be clear sailing! Is the snow off the ground yet
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