Difference between Randon and Snap loading?

[jim_0068]

I know how to employ sweep, i know how to employ snap. Both to the "extremes" i guess. Is random just in the middle between the too?

I am pretty much a swinger with all my clubs these days and i don't employ sweep loading that much i know.

However i'm just curious if i use random or snap? I feel i should learn to help development as both a player and a "some what" instructor these days lol.

Can someone describe the main differences between random and snap for me? In my swing, i allow the right arm to cock the left and i feel a gradual cocking the entire way up but i don't really "feel" the "full wristcock" until parallel. I then drag load into impact and it "feels" like that i wait very long to release and i just let it happen naturally.

Seems like i'm a random loader to me. When i try to "snap load" i feel it involves too much timing and i also don't like the "feel" of downcocking on the downswing.

Thanks for the help

[Yoda]

I know how to employ sweep, i know how to employ snap. Both to the "extremes" i guess. Is random just in the middle between the two?

Jim,

You are right: The Sweep and Snap represent Loading Action extremes (from the very beginning and at the very end). Random is anywhere between the two (even one inch after Sweep or one inch before Snap).

[tongzilla]

For practical purposes, I label my 'late Random Loading' as Snap Loading, even though technically it's still Random Loading. A true Snap Loading Action where the club gets loaded at the very last instant is very rarely performed.

[Delaware Golf]

For practical purposes, I label my 'late Random Loading' as Snap Loading, even though technically it's still Random Loading. A true Snap Loading Action where the club gets loaded at the very last instant is very rarely performed.

Tongzilla,

Are you sure about that??? I can feel the loading of accumulator number 2 at the end assembly point...it's a subtle feel...but it's there. I use extensor action takeaway (10-19-0 and 6-B-1-0) and Snap Loading...on the takeaway, I allow the right elbow to fold naturally a la Ernie Els (no forced extensor action, totally natural extensor action)...for short shots, I start folding the right elbow immediately at startup(sweep loading). I believe the confusion on snap loading comes from interpretation of pictures (that you need a really wide arc to perform snap loading) and not fully understanding what snap loading is...read 10-22-C carefully. Checkout Ben Doyles video "How to Build A G.O.L.F Swing" when he demonstrates snap loading....no wide arc there!!!

If you study this concept in-depth...you will find that with Right Forearm Takeaway there are two natural procedures for swingers and two for hitters.

Swingers - Full Sweep and Snap
Hitters - Full Sweep and Random

Just look to stroke patterns 12-1-0 and 12-2-0...both are using extensor action takeaways which creates snap loading for swinging and random loading for hitting. For short shots just start folding the right elbow at takeaway and you have the perfect loading procedure for short shots (sweep loading). Hmmmm yes, TGM is that easy.

DG

[tongzilla]

I was merely trying to emphasise Yoda's comment that even if you're loading one inch before Snap, it is considered to be Random.

[Delaware Golf]

Tongzilla,

Are you sure about that??? I can feel the loading of accumulator number 2 at the end assembly point...it's a subtle feel...but it's there. I use extensor action takeaway (10-19-0 and 6-B-1-0) and Snap Loading...on the takeaway, I allow the right elbow to fold naturally a la Ernie Els (no forced extensor action, totally natural extensor action)...for short shots, I start folding the right elbow immediately at startup(sweep loading). I believe the confusion on snap loading comes from interpretation of pictures (that you need a really wide arc to perform snap loading) and not fully understanding what snap loading is...read 10-22-C carefully. Checkout Ben Doyles video "How to Build A G.O.L.F Swing" when he demonstrates snap loading....no wide arc there!!!

If you study this concept in-depth...you will find that with Right Forearm Takeaway there are two natural procedures for swingers and two for hitters.

Swingers - Full Sweep and Snap
Hitters - Full Sweep and Random

Just look to stroke patterns 12-1-0 and 12-2-0...both are using extensor action takeaways which creates snap loading for swinging and random loading for hitting. For short shots just start folding the right elbow at takeaway and you have the perfect loading procedure for short shots (sweep loading). Hmmmm yes, TGM is that easy.

DG

From the two natural procedures that I just described (creating machine like precision), I don't know why any golfer using the swinging procedure would want to use random sweep loading? Snap Loading is a fairly easy condition to achieve (I believe that's why Homer put it into 12-2-0, if you use an extensor action backstroke per 10-19-0 one will achieve a snap load condition). Just let the right elbow fold naturally on the backswing and left wrist will cock and the clubshaft will snap load into place at the end assembly point. Some golfers might not like the feel of snap loading....then sweep load, start folding the right elbow at the beginning of the backswing.

DG

[jim_0068]

I definately use some form of snap loading on all my shots.

[metallion]

Jack (at least in his prime) was a snap loader - right?

[jim_0068]

Jack (at least in his prime) was a snap loader - right?

Yup, that's why he stressed the shaft so hard.

Which is also, by the way, another MAJOR FACTOR IN FITTING! Which is often overlooked by many so called "professional fitters."

They may not know what snap, sweep, or random loading is but they can watch the swing and know how the shaft is reacting from the swing and fit accordingly.

[Yoda]

Just remember, everybody, that there is a difference between when the Shaft is loaded and how the Shaft is Loaded. In Pivot Strokes -- Hitting or Swinging -- the Shaft is Loaded by the Pivot. This is true whether the Player's intent is to Drive the Club through Impact (Hitting) or Drag it through Impact (Swinging).

When Hitting, the Hands stop at Top (Right Shoulder High and On Plane) and "resist the Backstroke Motion" (7-19-1) as the Hip Action initiates the Downstroke. When Swinging, the Hands typically proceed to the End (beyond the Top) and, again, the Body Turn (Pivot) -- not the Hands -- "throws the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading" (7-19-3). If you think this last insight is huge...

You're right.