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Old 08-14-2006, 08:00 AM
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Head position at setup
Hi there, i swing from a hands forward address position similar to impact fix.

My head however tends to move backwards on the backswing (about a head's width from the setup position mid stance) and slightly back and down on the downswing.

If i'm swinging from impact fix where should my head be positioned at setup? seems like i'm fighting to keep it in a position it wasn't meant to be in.... should it be more to the right hand side?

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Old 08-14-2006, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by smooth
Hi there, i swing from a hands forward address position similar to impact fix.

My head however tends to move backwards on the backswing (about a head's width from the setup position mid stance) and slightly back and down on the downswing.

If i'm swinging from impact fix where should my head be positioned at setup? seems like i'm fighting to keep it in a position it wasn't meant to be in.... should it be more to the right hand side?

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There is much information on this on the forum. Do a search on HEAD POSITION. Look at the thread 1-L The Machine Concept #1 The Stationary Post GM #140

Most TGMers will recommend that the Head stay centered between the feet.
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Old 08-14-2006, 02:32 PM
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Two things:

Impact Fix is more than a hand position- the entire machine is in Impact – hands, hips, etc. So I think you are merely set at address with a forward press or at impact hands position. Is your left wrist flat or bent at address? A Hitter will more than likely start with FL and a BR where as a Swinger and the rest of the world is BL and FR at address. There is nothing wrong with starting with the hands over the left thigh with either address wrist positions. But….

Check your hip alignment. I think you are leaning left in your” hands forward address position” moving your head with it. The head at impact is always behind the ball- hips facing down target. Set your hips closer tothat of impact and your head should remain center with little of no need to move it to the right. Check out the Hula Hula thread. It seems that not every one on this planet can move the hips and shoulders independently. But good golf demands it.

I do think your head may be in a too much of a sway.

ps- Lagster is right- this forum is loaded with a treasure of information. I call it the "Dummies Guide to TGM" because Yoda has written clearly the secerts- locked from mere mortal eyes- of The Golfing Machine. And one good question is answered with another.
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Old 08-14-2006, 08:27 PM
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Left wrist is flat, right wrist is bent with forward press
Originally Posted by 6bmike
Two things:

Impact Fix is more than a hand position- the entire machine is in Impact – hands, hips, etc. So I think you are merely set at address with a forward press or at impact hands position. Is your left wrist flat or bent at address? A Hitter will more than likely start with FL and a BR where as a Swinger and the rest of the world is BL and FR at address. There is nothing wrong with starting with the hands over the left thigh with either address wrist positions. But….

Check your hip alignment. I think you are leaning left in your” hands forward address position” moving your head with it. The head at impact is always behind the ball- hips facing down target. Set your hips closer tothat of impact and your head should remain center with little of no need to move it to the right. Check out the Hula Hula thread. It seems that not every one on this planet can move the hips and shoulders independently. But good golf demands it.

I do think your head may be in a too much of a sway.

ps- Lagster is right- this forum is loaded with a treasure of information. I call it the "Dummies Guide to TGM" because Yoda has written clearly the secerts- locked from mere mortal eyes- of The Golfing Machine. And one good question is answered with another.

My left wrist is flat at setup and right wrist bent, my head is centered in between my feet (nose i guess is level with the ball when using a wedge from center of stance).

By the top of the backswing my head has moved back probably 2-3 inches - i've been trying to avoid this but it is extremely difficult and just doesn't seem like my body is built this way even with a half swing

So rather than fighting it should the head be more right of center when setting up with the hands at impact fix?

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Old 08-14-2006, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by smooth
My left wrist is flat at setup and right wrist bent, my head is centered in between my feet (nose i guess is level with the ball when using a wedge from center of stance).

By the top of the backswing my head has moved back probably 2-3 inches - i've been trying to avoid this but it is extremely difficult and just doesn't seem like my body is built this way even with a half swing

So rather than fighting it should the head be more right of center when setting up with the hands at impact fix?

thanks all
I don't know Smooth. Classic Hitter's wrist set-up at address.
Without seeing the motion, perhaps clearing the right hip before the take-away will allow you to "sit back" on your right back pocket and rotate around the spine. Do you use a right forearm Take Away or use a shoulder turn to move the arms?
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
I don't know Smooth. Classic Hitter's wrist set-up at address.
Without seeing the motion, perhaps clearing the right hip before the take-away will allow you to "sit back" on your right back pocket and rotate around the spine. Do you use a right forearm Take Away or use a shoulder turn to move the arms?
Trying to use the right forearm pickup but ends up being a blend of shoulder turn as well as that's what i have been doing for many years....
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Old 08-14-2006, 02:55 PM
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Most TGMers will recommend that the Head stay centered between the feet.
...I don't believe that is entirely accurate.
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Old 08-14-2006, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by glcoach
...I don't believe that is entirely accurate.

Mr Kelley's

A stationary head. 1-L-1 The Stationary Post

Stationary Head kept Centered between the Stationary Feet.

Doesn't get more basic than that.
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Old 08-14-2006, 06:08 PM
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I agree with glcoach.

Unless you are just talking about address....then I say centered is def. fine. (as a standard for most people/most shots)

Too bad we have to keep getting into this over and over again really.....it's a little grating on everyone I think...(but that's the way it goes I guess)
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Old 08-14-2006, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I agree with glcoach.

Unless you are just talking about address....then I say centered is def. fine. (as a standard for most people/most shots)
Birdie,

It keeps coming up because it's a very important topic for another instructor and because there is still confusion. We need to keep addressing it until it becomes clear. There is FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) coming our way regarding how it's taught by Lynn, Ted and others. As a result, it needs to be clarified.

I think if you do a search here, I you will find that the centered head (or base of the neck) is taken at impact fix. That center doesn't sway. In addition, it doesn't cause a reverse pivot like you might be led to believe. That in my opinion is a function of faulty hip movement. Hula Hula.

We aren't seeking any battles here. But the guns have already been fired our way. So, we clarify, and clarify some more.
Lynn will return from teaching a group of professionals in Germany on the 17th. I know he's anxious to address this topic.

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