snap release how I changed my random sweep to snap

[Daryl]

Sorry to butt-in. But "Snap Release" is a Term Used to describe "how far along the straight-line delivery path when the Pulley begins or is initiated". It's not a #2 PP Swing. It's a #3 PP Swing. Driving Right Forearm. At the Very End of the Straight Line Delivery Path, when there is no more straight path to continue, the Right Forearm/Hands meet the Pulley. Then, the Right Forearm "Snaps" into the Pulley.

The #2 PP Swing (Wrist Cock) focuses on Wrist Cock and Uncock. This is the Swing used when you want to feel like the Left Arm is "Blasting" off the Chest. This Blast off the Chest initiates "Throw-Out" and CF sets in to Uncock the Left Wrist. It Doesn't get a "Snap" Release. With this Swing Type, you don't feel the Straight Line Delivery Path because the Right Forearm is Passive (Alignment aid only). Hence, Random Sweep Only when using the #2 PP (90% of Golfers).

BOTH, the Straight Line Delivery Path and "Left Arm Blast Off the Chest" are the "Hand Acceleration" Phase (of the downstroke acceleration sequence). Pulley, is Clubhead acceleration. Controlling when "Clubhead Acceleration" begins is directly controlled only when using the #3 PP to sense Inertia and Acceleration. It is only indirectly controlled when using a #2 PP Swing.

[MizunoJoe]

Sorry to butt-in. But "Snap Release" is a Term Used to describe "how far along the straight-line delivery path when the Pulley begins or is initiated". It's not a #2 PP Swing. It's a #3 PP Swing. Driving Right Forearm. At the Very End of the Straight Line Delivery Path, when there is no more straight path to continue, the Right Forearm/Hands meet the Pulley. Then, the Right Forearm "Snaps" into the Pulley.

The #2 PP Swing (Wrist Cock) focuses on Wrist Cock and Uncock. This is the Swing used when you want to feel like the Left Arm is "Blasting" off the Chest. This Blast off the Chest initiates "Throw-Out" and CF sets in to Uncock the Left Wrist. It Doesn't get a "Snap" Release. With this Swing Type, you don't feel the Straight Line Delivery Path because the Right Forearm is Passive (Alignment aid only). Hence, Random Sweep Only when using the #2 PP (90% of Golfers).

BOTH, the Straight Line Delivery Path and "Left Arm Blast Off the Chest" are the "Hand Acceleration" Phase (of the downstroke acceleration sequence). Pulley, is Clubhead acceleration. Controlling when "Clubhead Acceleration" begins is directly controlled only when using the #3 PP to sense Inertia and Acceleration. It is only indirectly controlled when using a #2 PP Swing.

While a straight line delivery path can be useful as an intention, all hand paths are curved. Uncocking the LW by driving the right forearm will lead to early onset of uncocking in all but the few with extremely flexible wrists, and even then, is inferior to the cf snap release I'm talking about, because it induces forearm and wrist tension as well as forfeiting pivot power both resulting in slower shaft speed. If the hands get to the right thigh before the onset of uncocking with the shaft horizontal or above, random sweep can't happen, it's too late, and the inline condition will happen suddenly(snap) and most effectively, as long as the bent right arm is passive(no forearm slapping motion or firing right triceps) and the forearms and wrists are tension free.

[Daryl]

There is much more to the Straight Line Delivery Path than the Curved Path of the Hands argument. It's a "Turned Shoulder Plane", 3 Stage Downstroke Acceleration procedure. As opposed to the Elbow Planes 2 Stage Acceleration procedure.

On the simplest level, it means that the Hands are traveling a Straight Plane and not Shifting Planes.

On a more complex level, it's the Power Package Shift from Right To Left, Down Plane, without Straightening the Right Arm. During this Shift, Hand Acceleration, the Power Package maintains the Same Alignment as it assembled at the End of the Backstroke.

Let me ask a question:

Can you have a "Snap Release" if the Ball is located in the Center of your Stance?

[whip]

snap release make ball go far

[svsvincenzo]

Ok. Let me ask this please...the TGM definitions of snap vs random sweep release refer to reality, correct? Meaning what's actually happening? So intent is I material as far as definitions are concerned?

So MJ and Daryl are talking about the HOW to achieve these realities--snap vs random sweep?

So MJ you're saying Snap Release with max potential CH speed is only possible by keeping PP3 with R shoulder speed and R elbow bent? How about aligning the shaft with the shoulder rotation (plane where shoulder rotates) from Startdown to Downstroke, so you have only longitudinal acceleration on the shaft, hence no Release/PA2 uncocking/keep angles without tensioning the wrists? At Release just fire PP3/PA1? Wouldn't that be Snap Release without tensioning the wrists? MJ?

IMO I'd agree more with Daryl. What I said above jives with the last 2 posts of Dsryl...I think. Daryl?

[MizunoJoe]

Ok. Let me ask this please...the TGM definitions of snap vs random sweep release refer to reality, correct? Meaning what's actually happening? So intent is I material as far as definitions are concerned?

So MJ and Daryl are talking about the HOW to achieve these realities--snap vs random sweep?

So MJ you're saying Snap Release with max potential CH speed is only possible by keeping PP3 with R shoulder speed and R elbow bent? How about aligning the shaft with the shoulder rotation (plane where shoulder rotates) from Startdown to Downstroke, so you have only longitudinal acceleration on the shaft, hence no Release/PA2 uncocking/keep angles without tensioning the wrists? At Release just fire PP3/PA1? Wouldn't that be Snap Release without tensioning the wrists? MJ?

IMO I'd agree more with Daryl. What I said above jives with the last 2 posts of Dsryl...I think. Daryl?

Yes, TGM deals with reality, when HK is talking feelings or intentions, he says so, like when he says the swing should feel heavy, not fast or dainty.

I'm talking about using the Pivot ONLY to uncock the left wrist from a deep release position. The hand path to that deep release position depends on whether you plane shift on the downswing or not. In either case it's the hips which bring the hands down to that deep release position, but from there, there is no firing of PA#1, which would be a max trigger delay Hitting procedure if the Pivot is stalled or a Switting pattern without Pivot stall, which, in either case, for most golfers would be inferior to the cf Swing.

[whip]

Yes, TGM deals with reality, when HK is talking feelings or intentions, he says so, like when he says the swing should feel heavy, not fast or dainty.

I'm talking about using the Pivot ONLY to uncock the left wrist from a deep release position. The hand path to that deep release position depends on whether you plane shift on the downswing or not. In either case it's the hips which bring the hands down to that deep release position, but from there, there is no firing of PA#1, which would be a max trigger delay Hitting procedure if the Pivot is stalled or a Switting pattern without Pivot stall, which, in either case, for most golfers would be inferior to the cf Swing.

nice....look at my avatar, that's hogan doing what mj is describing, the hips pulling the hands down deep into release all the way through the shot!

[svsvincenzo]

Yes, TGM deals with reality, when HK is talking feelings or intentions, he says so, like when he says the swing should feel heavy, not fast or dainty.

I'm talking about using the Pivot ONLY to uncock the left wrist from a deep release position. The hand path to that deep release position depends on whether you plane shift on the downswing or not. In either case it's the hips which bring the hands down to that deep release position, but from there, there is no firing of PA#1, which would be a max trigger delay Hitting procedure if the Pivot is stalled or a Switting pattern without Pivot stall, which, in either case, for most golfers would be inferior to the cf Swing.

Thanks MJ. Agree with the hips there.

But why is use of PA1 (whether hitting or switting) inferior to CF swing (swinging), especially the switting?

Use of PA1 IMO stabilizes the Sweetspot hence keeps it squarer longer (more like AH wrist action without intending it, I'd like describing it a HH action but looooong HH action). Plus you got to use the R arm, pec and wrist. But I'm talking switting where no pivot stall, which is what's hard at least for me.

[svsvincenzo]

snap release make ball go far

I don't know what to call it, whether Snap or Random Sweep, but pretty much the intents described by MJ to achieve true Snap Release with CH speed is IMO most powerful.

But I believe the intents Daryl described to achieve Snap Release is not as powerful as MJ's version but is IMO the best combo of accuracy and power.

But I'm thinking...maybe MJ's version should be our intent, but feel of what happens is Daryl's version. So we're all correct...hehe

[MizunoJoe]

snap release make ball go far

Right on! And especially to get good distance with the short irons.